Had a couple interesting runs this past weekend. On Saturday, I did my first official Steady State Run. Since I’m between training cycles and didn’t want to do a full-out fast thing, yet still wanted a workout, it seemed like a novel compromise. I wore my HR monitor to make sure I stayed in the right ballpark (83-87% says McMillan). I did 7 w/5 steady state miles.
It was fun – not so tough as a tempo but harder than a regular run. Granted, I’m too much of a “get the most done in the least amount of time” person to do Steady State during a regular training cycle, but for in-between, it was perfect. The steady-state miles were 8:00s and the whole run w/warmup and cooldown averaged 8:13.
Then yesterday afternoon I did 12…though a rough 12 it was. I was tired and internally moaning from the start. I didn’t eat beforehand and got thirsty at the end, so I was a big whiner. I tried to keep the pace down and would tell myself “9:15′s, keep it at 9:15s” but I kept speeding up, which annoyed me, since it would have been a more comfortable run had I kept a slower pace. Avg. pace, 9:01. That makes 51 miles for last week.
On other fronts, I’m finally getting into the weight loss attempt. Previously, when I tried to quit my horrible candy habit, I didn’t lose any weight after a week, so I’d be all “well hell, if I’m going to stay the same, I’ll keep eating the fun stuff”. I’m sure it’s because whatever I replaced the candy with was the same number of calories. Now that I’m keeping track of what goes down my gullet, though, changes are occurring.
I started buckling down with Daily Plate last week, in an effort to see exactly what I’m eating and to finally understand how many calories I need. The Daily Plate gives you a couple ways of figuring it out and there’s this calculator which is more generous calorie-wise (and I suspect more accurate, I’ll let you know as this progresses). In the end, my daily average this week was 1830 calories/day.
So I’ve lost a little weight already without being monkish. In fact, though I hope never again to keep huge bags of Reese’s Pieces and Jelly Bellys in the house, I was given a box of white chocolate Godivas for Xmas (I’m a white chocolate freak) so a couple nights this week I had one or two as my evening treat, but it’s easy to ignore the box for a few days or to be satisfied with that small amount, so my sugar intake is down dramatically.
One other thing I did with the Daily Plate was to join their Gold Member status temporarily, just so I could see how much calcium I’ve been getting on average. They give you 5 days free when you sign up for Gold, so you just have to cancel before they start charging you.
Anyway, my calcium daily percentages varied from 20-97% of the recommendation (1000mg) so this was a firm reminder to take my daily 600mg softgel. Ladies especially, do remember to fulfill your calcium requirements to help ward off stress fractures and keep those bones of yours in great condition! It’s 1000mg/day if you’re under 50, 1200mg if you’re over. Best way is through diet of course, and if you take a supplement, don’t take it with a meal that features calcium or too large a dose at once, you can only absorb about 500mg at a time.
On other weighty news, I ordered one of these Body Fat Monitors. I realize they’re not exactly the most accurate of tools, but they appear to be consistent with their own readings which is all I care about, some kind of baseline to measure.
Now, please don’t think I’m going to get all mental about this, I’m not. I’m too vain to get too thin, and I like eating too much to go hungry, but I am now completely curious as to what it’ll take to maintain a more “runnerly” body. Right now I’m 5’4″ and 124lbs. (from 126.5) and while my original goal was 120, I’m now thinking 117ish is even better. It’s closer to 114 that Glover suggests and would put me at 20% BMI instead of my current 21.3%. Considering that I have a very small frame (5.25″ wrists), this’ll still leave me at an ordinary weight.
What’s keeping me pumped besides the thought of potentially losing my “bat wings” (a.k.a. flabby upperarms) and other fat pockets of resistance, is to see what this’ll do for my race times. I don’t know if those weight vs. speed calculators are bullshit or what, but they all indicate I’d lose more than a minute off my 5K at 118 lbs. A minute!
Crazy to think that this year’s 5K goal could be substantially lower than what I was thinking (low 21:xx) and that I could hit the 20′s this year! Add to that my usual training cycles and I may turn into A Force To Be Reckoned With in my AG before the year’s up.
Stay tuned.






best of luck with the “bat wings”.. that’s funny!
I’m going to present the radical idea that if you’re naturally running a 9:01 pace on a given day because you feel good, don’t fight it. Run by feel that day. Your body wants to go faster so unless you’ve got a monster workout the next day that you need to save yourself for, let your body rather than your training plan (or brain) set the pace. That’s one way that training paces you work to reach at the beginning of your training cycle become natural paces that feel too slow toward the end of it.
Welcome to the mOron owner’s club. I actually think my mOron is pretty accurate, except after a night of heavy drinking (when my BF drops by about 2%) or during PMS. Dehydration and water retention throw it way off. But it is a great way to track progress (or lack thereof).
And…51 miles…woo hoo!
i agree with Julie and say if your body wants to run a certain pace, let it. (within reason, obviously … otherwise i would NEVER do tempo runs.)
i’m also wondering where you’re getting your formulas for how much you should weigh. while i am tempted to piggyback on your numbers myself (i’m 5’3.5″, although i probably have a medium frame), i’d love to plug in my data if such a website exists. i’m sure the extra 5-6 lbs i’m carrying with me on any given day aren’t helping me get much faster running.
best of luck to you!
Flyer, wish I’d come up with the term “bat wings”, but it’s common lady-talk. See what you learn here?
Julie, I’m all for that take on it, though in yesterday’s case, the operative phrase was “feel good”, I didn’t feel so great so maybe slower would have been better. But I love the theory as it applies to my good days! As much as I love running fast on my easy days, I never have a completely clear conscience about it because I can’t help think it’s not the “best” way to train as far as building mitochondria and all that jazz. But I’ve noticed lately that I’ll naturally go slower on the third day if I had a couple faster easy days. So I think you’re right, the body knows.
MOron, lol. I first saw it when you mentioned it on your blog so you have influence around these parts.
Hey Sara, Bob Glover’s epic encyclopedia of all things running The Competitive Runner’s Handbook has a formula:
For women, start with 5’6″ = 120 lbs. Add 3 lbs for every inch above, subtract 3 for every inch below.
For men, it’s twice your height in inches, then add 10%.
There’s also a table with a range, for 5’4″ female it’s 102-125lbs. The whole chapter on Performance Weight is great, btw (as is the book, if you don’t have it).
oh boy…you’re going to have to drag me behind you this weekend!
My weight keeps going 123-124. Last year during my training cycle, my body fat got down to 18% even when I was 125lbs.
Now I wanna measure my wrists…
Puleeze, like all of a sudden I have magic powers. Give me a few months, at least!
18% at 125 and our height, that’s great! As for wrist measuring fun, here’s the guideline.
Were I to get to that 2 X inches + 10% (154), I’d be a skeleton. Big thighs. In marathon training I get to maybe 158, and my wife tries to slip me more food (and I eat a lot to begin with) to fatten me up. I’ve pretty well been between 158 and 168 for the last 30 years so I figure it’s something of an equilibrium weight.
Flo,
I had never heard the calculation before, but that does give a fairly representative number for me. The “perfect” number then is 156. For my first marathon, my weight was 157. Until my December meltdown, I stayed around 160-163 for my base miles, so I guess I was doing okay. I have slipped up to 167 in the last month, so it is time to get back to work!
Thanks for the real-world info, guys. I guess it’s very much tied to body-type. Speaking of, here’s an interesting piece on weight and speed. The section with World Record holders and their height and weights are very interesting. Lot of variation in how much they veer below average.
Flo,
Are you on facebook?
I try not to be. I get on there to read something then remove my account. It weirds me out how people come out of the woodwork with that thing. Why? Is there something tasty for me to read there? If so, I’ll reinstate myself before removing myself again, lol.
A lot of the masters have migrated there in frustration over RW, it is rather busy. I didn’t realize I could deactivate, then reinstate. Thanks for the info
Yeah, once you get on Facebook, the account is kept with the email I guess, because it never really dies, even if you close it.
For some reason I never hang out in the Master’s forum, though I more than qualify. As for the “new” RW, I haven’t had much problem with Pluck (except hating the new emoticons and lack of PMing). I think Firefox renders better than IE, at least from what I gather of the the complaints.
The pages seem to be loading much better now. I am told that PM’s will return in a few weeks to a month. I think I will need to close the FB account soon if I am to ever accomplish anything!
I need to move to a desert island (or somewhere without broadband) if I’m to accomplish anything.
Glad the pages are loading better for you now.
GIM – I tried your wrist band measurement link. I’ve never heard of this. So, in my instant gratification mentality, I can’t find a tape measure, so I just measured a couple dollar bills around my wrist. After wrapping one, I have a gap that fits the letters “FED” from “Federal Reserve Note” words (from the other) . So with the length of a dollar and the three “FED” letters…..I’m crossing my fingers for a LARGE frame!!!
Uh oh. Wiki says a dollar bill is only 6.14 inches long. Phooey, this means I’m probably 6.25 – 6.5 inches and a medium frame. Eff Wiki
Hah Mirnr! Jeez, but you crack me up, measuring yourself with money. This deserves the scary laughing emoticon.
I just checked out the other link from Sheehan. I was definitely much faster sometime ago at 124, which I hit for about 3 minutes in 1998? (cough cough). My bones were sticking out from my hips. I wasn’t anna or anything, but defintely I am a wide glide. I could not imagine losing 10 pounds on top of that to get to Grete Waitz size.
Anyway, impressed that you are tracking this stuff and you’re right to be concerned about calcium. It’s important especially to get this in for females, since Ithink the first thing to skip is the high fat stuff like milk and cheese.
Good for you!!!
Yeah, those stats are too freaky, Deena Kastor looks scary to me, so I wonder where she lies on the percentage below average…one step above air, likely.
thanks for the info! looks like i’m better off losing a bit more than 5 or 6 pounds … this is going to be TOUGH.
Sara, take all this with a grain of salt. Julie, above, is an example of not fitting the skinny norm and she’s zoomy fast. In my case, it’s clear that my diet and body have room for improvement so I’m going for it (in a moderate way). I just don’t want to make anyone feel bad or pressured about their own body with this stuff. But now that I write this, I can see there’s no way to avoid that. Pooh.
Anyway, just keep a sensible head about you. Not that I think you wouldn’t, I just feel better making that disclaimer for anyone reading this.
That article is a bit dangerous. For one, it claims that “we all need 2500 calories” just to survive. That’s way over for a lot of people. The “resting basal needs” calcs I’ve used have all estimated in the range of 1300-1400 for me. If I ate 2500 on top of what I need to train I’d blow up like a balloon in short order.
Also, it’s just plain crazy to say that a marathoner should be running 26 miles per day to achieve and maintain ideal racing weight. That assertion leaves me speechless.
See? I’m speechless.
True, some of it’s whacked, I posted it solely for the Record Holder’s weights and heights.
Yup, Whacked. We Brits can have funny ideas sometimes
Paula Radcliffe is another scary-thin person. All the more so since she’s taller than most elite women.
Yeah, Brits are weird. But highly lovable.
Your blog is shaping up nicely, Jim – good writing and I love the photos.
Paula doesn’t look as skeletal as Deena to me, though.
Aw shucks (Blush)