It’s no secret, I’ve been in bad attitude land with Marathon training; it’s cold and windy and I haven’t felt like putting forth real effort yet. But I’ve been working my way back.
One of the things I started yesterday was to add 3 MP miles to my run. I was severely lacking in race pace miles last time and that’s something I want to correct this time out. I figured I’d add a bit each week, next week do 5, the next week do 8, etc. Seemed a good way to ingrain the pace without any stress.
Meanwhile, the days are ticking by and I needed to get a plan underway, so today I bought Pfitzinger’s second edition of Advanced Marathoning. I used his first edition for Steamtown and had heard this new one had more MP miles, so I pretty much decided that’s what I’d use.
But when I finally looked at the plan and saw that there were exactly 4 MP runs and the first one should have been last week and was 8 miles at MP (8 MP in week 16?) I wasn’t happy. Seems like 8 MP so early in the game would be better replaced by a tempo run, since it’s going to feel about as sucky anyway and give more physiological benefit. But I digress.
More importantly, I don’t want to reserve MP miles for “special” and with only four of them (3 actually, since I already missed one) it qualifies as that, because for me at this time, that would defeat the purpose of doing them. I italicize that because I’m sure if I’d have picked up the book 6 months ago, I’d have no quibble with 4 big MP runs (save for the natural dread involved), but at this point they only look like drudge workouts. Besides, I don’t want to dread MP runs, I want to get used to them so it ain’t no big deal, that’s my whole goal here.
Then I remembered ole Hal Higdon. I’ve always dismissed his plans for looking too simplistic: they don’t have “cycles”, the mileage is low, the workouts are basically the same thing with more reps each week. However, one thing I’ve always thought was pretty cool was that he has MP runs almost every Saturday before the LR, which works two-fold, you get your MP miles while at the same time it tuckers you out a bit for Sunday’s LR, the better to give you that marathon feeling. And he even has some mid-week MP runs as well. All told, he has 17 MP runs in an 18-week plan! And they graduate from short to longer, just like I wanted to do.
So I started looking longer at his Advanced Plan II and wonder of wonders…the spark began to return. His simplicity was suddenly a fantastic thing in my eyes: I could easily add mileage to it, the fact that it alternates tempo, hill and intervals each week while adding an additional short tempo or pace run a couple days later seemed perfect, plus, I’m going to keep some rest days in there. It was exactly a year ago that I went to 7 days, but marathon training in the winter is going to annoy me double, so having a day off for especially windy/crappy days will be a treat.
And only three 20s instead of 4. Will I be under prepared? I don’t think so, those MP runs are going to be a great help. My pal RedDogRunning from the 3:20 thread just used it (only did two 20s, matter of fact) and had a huge PR last week – said those MP runs made him feel “locked into pace the whole way”. Music to my ears.
So I feel like training again! No longer overwhelmed or dreading it, the little thrill was back when I transcribed the numbers and notes into my Excel calendar (and I did this twice today…the Pfitz time wasn’t so joyful). Thank god, because I was seriously wondering how I was going to get through the next 4 months doing something I didn’t want to do.
Yay. Just yay.







Long time, no see. Just wanted to say a quick hello, and holy shiznit to your PRs. Looks like 2009 was a great year for you
Good luck in 2010!
Glad you bought Pfitzing #2. I like it a lot, too. Which plan are you doing?
yay for being excited about training again!
question though: do you/are you going to be incorporating strength into your schedule? i want to but all running plans are just that: running so i don’t know where to add, how much to add etc.
Bhaputi!! Secret Agent Man! How utterly strange, I thought of you last week, out of the blue, for absolutely no reason. I am so glad to see your name again. Hope to see you on RW, would love to find out how your year went. Thanks for the PRs comment, my marathon was a bust but everything else was pretty cool.
LARunner, LOL!! You didn’t read the whole post, babe. I’m not doing Pfitzinger, I’m going to be a Higdon girl this time.
Karyn, I do some pushups and chinups, that’s all the strength I do. Just enough to keep my upper body strong (and both exercises cover a lot of area).
Happy to hear that your mojo is coming back, Flo. I think you are making a good move going with a plan that excites you. That’s what’s really important.
Another way to get in a 20 is to split it into two runs in a day. You’re doing the same mileage, but somehow it seems more manageable. And, you get the benefit of added volume and working your body when it’s tired. All things you need for the marathon. Of course, you still need those long slogs, but if you’re feeling like you haven’t done enough long runs, throw in an afternoon easy run after a 15-16 miler.
Don’t forget to include some long, downhill running in your plan to get your quads ready for the pounding at Boston. Specificity of training is where it’s at.
Jaymee, I’m with you on the downhill training. I used a great mile-long hill for Steamtown and will use that same one for Boston.
About doubles, I have always had an aversion to doing them which probably did me no favors in Philly – those low 80 weeks would have been a lot healthier if I’d have doubled. But the idea of dressing twice and running twice bugs me too much, I really am a lazy SOB at heart. (yet another reason why I’ll be a way better Halfer than a Marathoner)
So I’ll be doing three 20s and one 19. The good thing is, 20s were never a big deal to me physically so I don’t think endurance per se is my “achilles heel” (then again, what do I know?). Anyway, if I die out there, it wouldn’t be the first time, but at least it’ll be my last.
wow, I’m liking the looks of that plan…gets me thinking….
Things are on the up. You’ve made that big decision about our running future (Tip of the hat to DP for some wisdom there) and now you’re excited about your new plan. Good mojo, Flo. Oh, and you need to stop dreading those MP runs. I have fun with them when I use the Garmin virtual partner. I so enjoy kicking that little man’s butt!
Should’ve known you’d have it dialed. Good luck!
Jim, the dread is already gone. I dreaded them because they came up so rarely that it had a “make or break” feeling whenever I did them. And if you feel like crap that day (like the hungover 12MP I did for Steamtown) it makes you doubt yourself terribly until the next one, if there is a next one. Now that I’ll be doing them every week, sometimes twice a week, it won’t have that “hit this, or else” aura about it. Whew!
Congrats Flo on finding a plan that you like and that brings the mojo back!
You won’t die out there — Hal knows his stuff. And a simple plan is often the best one. My favourite would have to be the ‘Hosaka plan’ — same every day: 10k in the morning, 20k in the evening (no long runs). Good enough for a marathon AG world record.
Anyway, good news about the mojo. Yay for the Yays!
Ewen, too funny, the Hosaka plan. I didn’t connect the name to the guy so I looked him up and recognized his story…amazing performance! Sick plan, though, lol.
Thanks Christi!
Happy New Year to you!
I’m with you and Hal. I love the simplicity of his plans….used Novice 2 for Chicago and will go to an Intermediate plan for Chicago 1010. Every time I opened up a Pfitz plan, my head would spin…I can barely keep up with all of my kids’ schedules, so simple was key for me. Looking forward to reading about your Boston training!
Holy Crap. Hosaka ran 2:36 at age 60! And the other runners were giving him encouragement and support along the way. That’s cool. I would have expected people going at that pace to be too busy to care. The 30km/day doubles plan looks bizarre. I wonder if he alternates fast/slow days?
This is great news! I’m so happy to hear it. I’m a big believer in the regenerative power of a weekly rest day. I love knowing that Mondays are completely off for me and never having to worry/feel guilty about not running then. It’s such a break from the routine — physically, of course, but even moreso mentally. Hopefully that will help get you excited about the running again.
Only three 20′s all training period? That doesn’t seem like a lot. But, I’m certainly not an expert… I’m anxious to see how it all works out. And, of course, I’m rooting for good things.
Flo, yes, amazing (and with some talent), but also dedicated in the way of the Japanese marathoner.
Jim E, Hosaka also ran 2:34:23 just prior to his 60th birthday. His PB is 2:25:28 at age 45.
He doesn’t alternate fast/slow days. All days are the same! He runs “intervals” twice per day, but the pace of the intervals is progressive and moderate (for him), getting down to around 5/10k race pace…
Summary from the Running Times story: “Hosaka runs identical workouts every day without fail: AM: 2.5k warm-up, 5 x 1 km from 4:00/km to 3:20/km pace, 2.5k warm-down (10k total). PM: 12k (6:00 – 5:00/km pace), 5 x 1 km downhill from 3:40/km to 3:20/km pace, jogging uphill for recovery (22k total). Essentially, Hosaka does these two workouts every day, all year around, aka 32k per day in doubles (no long runs). He said intervals are the way to go for old runners since long runs are very taxing on the body. When asked about the lack of variety, he said that the marathon is all about running at constant effort, therefore a runner needs to train to manage that constant.”
Ewen, great stuff! Thanks for sharing that. I can’t believe someone could do the same thing every day, year after year. Takes a certain kind of work ethic and brain. What a guy.
Glad to see your mojo is back!